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Friday, March 10, 2006

The Council FOIL Clock Stops!

14 Days & 14 Hours

That's how long it took the Council folk to fully respond to our FOIL request.

Not bad, not bad at all. Kudos, in fact!

We received the response in its entirety late this afternoon; and to our surprise, it came with no ifs, ands or buts.

We're now processing the information, and hope to have something for you by the end of the weekend.

And with the response, we also close the polls. The results were pretty cut and dry:

72% of you thought Speaker Quinn had something to hide.
28% of you did not.

Only time will tell... we will release to you our analysis as well as all of the documentation the Council sent our way.

Stay tuned!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Backroomie! You did a fantastic job at keeping your promise to shine the light on city government. Of course, we still have to wait for your analysis to see if Quinn is still trying to use fuzzy math.

12:44 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kudos to Maria Alvarado and the new council team for being so forthcoming. 14 days must be a record time for processing a FOIL request.

12:21 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:21 Give it a rest Quinnette. No FOIL request should have been necessary.The reason Quinn responded is the pressure put on her here by Backroomie and those who kept posting about it. Kudos to Backroomie for showing how arrogant political officer holders can be made to respond. This is the dawn of a new day!

1:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Under ANY cirumstances, the only person who can so graciously congratulate Maria Alvarado is Maria Alvarado herslef. Get to work, Maria, stop working the blogs on your behalf!

2:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's good to see tha Maria has learned how to use spellcheck.

2:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope Backroomie treats those who were fired with some respect. If Backroomie decides to publish the individual names and salaries of those who were fired, s/he should also do the same with all the new hires/promotions.

2:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The clock is now ticking on Backroomie to seee how long it is before you can publish the ethnic data that will vindicate Quinn for her honesty in proffering numbers that show that there was no ethnic bias in the firings. And will the Acquittal headline be as big as the Accusation headline? And will the bloggers who accused unshield their identities?
Tick tock.

4:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the unemployed troll on this blog who keeps referring to reasonable commenters as Quinnettes:
What planet do you live on? You were the guy saying that the council was stonewalling when they upped and fully complied with roomie’s request in a record 14 days. And what's this about no FOIL being necessary because of pressure from bloggers? You're joking right? I mean I have to assume that you're just making these statements to rile people up because no one who's ever worked with or in the city government could possibly take your bizarro assertions seriously.
Save the righteous indignation for when roomie digs up some genuine shady dealing (which he does). Your endless series of sycophantic outbursts make you look like an idiot.

4:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:41 I have it on good authority that Roonmie is a SHE.

5:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:41 How more obvious can it be that Quinn has had her ridiculous Quinnettes (yourself obviously included) working the blogs - both here and at The Politicker since the debacle of her firing the 61 which (unexpectedly to her) immediately became a public relations nightmare? How more obvious can it be that she had no intention of releasing anything except the misleading numbers that she was so quick to put out and that she just couldn't stand one more day of being called on it? How more obvious can it be that Backroomie has proven how effective blogs can be. This was like a picket line with protesters that showed up everyday and it worked. Maybe the next time, sleazy pols like Quinn will think twice about firing experienced people and replacing them with the unqualified dead weight of political bosses like Manton as a taxpayer funded bribe for votes. The fact remains that Quinn should resign now for that disgraceful abuse of taxpayer money.

And 4:34 how do you know what the data shows?

5:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regardless of what the data shows, the fact is that Quinn fired experienced and competent staff, only to replace them with incompetent hacks (they could be good a campaign stuff, but that is not what central staff is paid to do) at tax payer expense.

That is the issue.

6:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:43 and 6:13-you are both right on target. An additional area of interest would be to calculate the number of persons who worked under Vallone and Miller who were fired.

Additionally, I have heard that many of the new hires are inexperienced, compared to most of the finance and legal division employees who were fired. It would be interesting to see how these new hires salaries compare to people who have vastly more experience.

6:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who farted?

7:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just did, 7:47

1:48 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And to add to 6:46 and other, calculate how many of the Miller/Quinn campagin people remain on board and if they have been promoted. If you need help identifying some of these people, I'm sure we can help.

1:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Roomie gets credit for doggedly pursuing the FOIL request. Great. But let's not pretend that something significant was accomplished here! The Council was SUPPOSED to respond to the FOIL request - it's not like they had a history of failing to do so in other cases, and that Roomie pushed them to do so. And the data will reveal that Quinn released accurate numbers about those fired from day 1.

9:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

how do you know, do you work for her?

9:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:52 You got it, 9:28 is a Quinnette.

9:28 Who do you think you're fooling? What history of responding to FOIL requests are you talking about? This is about Quinn. You know, the sleazy pol who used taxpayer funded jobs to buy votes from Manton to be Speaker. The one who threw highly experienced people out of work and replaced them with Manton's dead weight. The one who rushed to put out misleading numbers and would not answer the questions posed by Backroomie until the FOIL request and a campaign of posts and comments finally forced her to respond. What Backroomie did is extremely important. Backroomie demonstrated the power of blogs to force arrogant pols to respond to the public. It is painfully obvious that Quinn's first choice was to ignore the questions and that it was only when the posts and comments here wouldn't go away that she threw in the towel. The firing of the 61 has been a total fiasco for her. The Tammany Hall stuff wasn't as easy as she thought it would be. That is because of the power of blogs. She didn't see it coming and the whole thing blew up in her face. Your lame attempts at spin aren't going to convince anyone otherwise. This is the dawn of a new day. Pols ignore that truth at their own peril.

11:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:35, i agree with all you say but i think there is a very slight chance that the numbers might be consistent. however, even if those numbers re minorities were to be consistent (we don't yet know for sure), the issues we can't loose sight here is everything else you said (firing experienced people to bring in her hacks, using public funds to pay for the salaries of her political hacks- outragousely high salaries, some earning more than most commissioners! ad eroding the Council powers to the point where the Council can't do anything since she doesn't have qualified staff to the job - legislation and finance.

8:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:07 - I totally agree with you.

10:57 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are the new top two people in the finance division? Are they any good? How'd they get their jobs?

2:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maria Alvarado is da bomb!

3:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:55 How'd they get their jobs? Where have you been?

5:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Backroomie's had the info since Friday. That's three days! And they're not releasing the information!

Seems that Backroomie has something to hide. Seems that they're stonewalling. Will us stupid and naive non-Quinnettes be forced to FOIL and start an Article 78 against Backroomie?

Isn't it time to shine the light on - and for transparency in blogging?

Clock is ticking Backroomie.

tick, tick, tick...

8:38 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, it seems that when the reply shoe is in the other foot, we need to be understanding. And I guess the ethnic info that started all this is not on the FOIL dox as I suggested it would not be many posts ago.

And so, having put government time and effort into this FOIL application, and when the numbers show substantially what the "Quinnettes" have been saying, to wit, that there was no ethnic bias in the firings....and all this time and blogging will have been proven to not only be pointless, but the rantings of an aggrieved person who was fired playing the race card....will Backroomie post just as large a banner headline?
"Quinn firings were not based on race"

Fair is fair.

10:43 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:43 - are you kidding? Fair is fair, but life isn't. There will be no mea culpa from Roomie or the Quinn haters even though this entire episode was greatly exaggerated.

11:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems 10:43 and 11:25 misunderstood my 8:38 sarcasm, which was meant to show that the 'stonewalling' conspiracists were being just as stupid as the Quinnettes. I have no idea what the data will show, but a) learn how FOIL and government bureaucracy works whether Quinn is running it or not, and b) there's a lot more scandal regarding Quinn that could come to the surface, but only if you get serious and do your homework.

12:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...


There are no stoewalling "conspiracists." That was your idiotic attack line. To repeat onc eagain since you apparently want to keep up your untenable argument, she was stonewaliing. That is why the FOIL request was made. She put out misleading numbers and then would not put out the requested info. The FOIL request was a means of dealing with her stonewalling. It is painfully obvious that she only released the info because of the posts and comments here, which kept the issue alive. She knows that these comments are widely read and that many reporters see them. That is why she gave in.

12:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously, I meant
There are no stonewalling "conspiracists." That was your idiotic attack line . . .

12:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course you are conspiracists. Given the chance, you would invoke Whitewater, Vince Foster and the School Book Depository. I'm no fan of Quinn and I think she's corrupt in many ways, but in this instance, there's no evidence of stonewalling or misleading numbers. And you think she gave in because of your comments? Good grief. You must be a Democrat.

1:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Methinks she gave in because she got a properly filed FOIL application and attorneys advised that it had to be complied with. Anyone who thinks it was blog pressure is suffering from illusions of self aggrandizement.

4:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

She (Quinn) didn't give in. The Council staff - the Records Access Officer - responded, as is required by FOIL. In any agency, attorneys would get involved only if there were questions as to a) does the requested item exist [as described in the request], or b) does it fall under one of the exemptions enumerated in the Public Officer's Law.

Of course we won't know anything until Backroomie posts the information it received.

5:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maria Alvarado is da bomb!

5:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Quinnettes' lame campaign continues. Anyone who has been following what has been going on knows that she has had these inept clods working the blogs continually. They have no credibility. We know who the so-called FOIL officer is and how he got there. He is Manton's dead weight and nothing more. We know that he does nothing that is not on Manton's orders, otherwise Manton might stop demanding that pols find jobs for him. We also know that Quinn put outmisleading figures very quickly, but stopped putting out any info once it was pointed out that the numbers were not the ones needed. The FOIL request was made because it was clear that despite the ease and speed with which she put out the first numbers, she had no intention of releasing anything else. That is stonewalling. We know that she knows that reporters are regularly following the posts and comments here as well as on The Politicker and that is why she has had her Quinnettes working the blogs. We know that she would have jerked around that FOIL request forever if it were not for the posts and comments here. We are not a bunch of yes people that are going to pretend to believe her garbage or the garbage put out by others on her behalf. Your nonsensical smear tactics do not work because they only work when hacks and flunkies pretend to believe it. What you're selling, nobody is buying.

Most importantly, we know that Quinn abused her authority by firing highly experienced people and replacing them with inexperienced clods from Manton's machine as a taxpayer funded bribe for votes for her to be Speaker. Try telling the 61 who were fired that they just imagined that. Quinn should resign. What she did with taxpayer dollars was much worse than what Laura Blackburne did by wasting $3,000 on a pink couch. Blackburne was forced to resign from the Dinkins administration because of what she did. Quinn should go now. She is not fit for office.

8:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:17 - who probably accounts for most of the attacks on Quinn on this blog because the tone and language can be found in many posts here and on the Politicker - has revealed him (or her) self to be a very bitter person with a very heavy axe to grind. The anger is palpable. Calling people names is not only childish but it betrays the personal nature of this person's quest to damage Quinn at all costs.

It's not unreasonable to think that maybe this person was one of the 61 people who was fired. A reporter or somebody from a "good government" group would be unlikely to resort to such vile name calling over and over. And even Quinn's political enemies would know when to stop beating a dead horse. If Quinn really did something illegal or unethical, the charge would be enough. But for this person, for some reason, it's not.

To 8:17 (and 5:43, 6:13, 11:35, 12:45, etc., because you're the same person)- Please see a psychiatrist for your own good, preferably before you take a new job. Your hatred will consume you and life will pass you by.

9:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:00 - Spoken like a Quinnnette in overdrive. Quinn clearly caved due to the tactics that were successfully used by Backroomie in a way that demonstrates how effective blogs can be in holding arrogant policians accountable. Apparently that truth frightens you, but you cannot make it go away. The fact that you keep trying so hard and using such desparate tactics to deny the obvious says a lot about you. A new day has dawned and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

10:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well 9:00, I've put a couple of comments here but I'm not 8:17. My guess is that others have also posted.

Furthermore, I think 8:17 is right on the mark.

On the other hand, your comment clearly exposes your identity as a Quinn staffer engaged in damage control through the blogs.

Lastly, a common thread in her staff's threads is the immaturiy they show - e.g. Maria Alvarado's 3:03 post above...

10:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

12 days and no post about what was in the FOIL reply from the City Council.
Should we start a countdown clock on how long it will take for you to let us know what they said?

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